Return to CreateDebate.commrshagmannace • Join this debate community

Mrs. Hagmann's Ace Debate


Debate Info

49
66
Change Offensive Mascots Keep as is
Debate Score:115
Arguments:47
Total Votes:157
Ended:05/12/16
More Stats

Argument Ratio

side graph
 
 Change Offensive Mascots (22)
 
 Keep as is (25)

Debate Creator

chagmann(38) pic



This debate has ended. You can no longer add arguments or vote in this debate.

Change/Rename Offensive Mascots

Proposal to change the names of mascots that people or groups of people may find offensive.

Change Offensive Mascots

Side Score: 49
VS.

Keep as is

Side Score: 66
Winning Side!
4 points

I think that offensive mascots should be changed because the teams who use the offensive mascots think that they are honorable to the people that they are actually offending. According to John Two-Hawks from the website Native Circle, “There are so many things I can tell you about the sports team names, mascots and imagery that are anything but an 'honor' that it would take up more time than you have to read. So let's just hit the basics - the 'R' word (Redskins, such as the team name) is racist, not an honor. The word 'Braves' is a racial slur, not an honor. Mascots and fans dressing up like 'Indians' is insulting and highly offensive, not an honor.” This shows that even when the people who are using the mascots are just trying to be nice, what they're really doing is possibly using racial slurs as their team name and displaying the type of person in an offensive way.

Supporting Evidence: How 'Indian' Mascots Oppress (www.nativecircle.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21mstevenson(2) Disputed
3 points

I understand why some people would be offended by these mascots, but if we knew the background to Native cultures we could adjust to some of the traditional things of the Natives. Having these mascots, give some kids the opportunity to meet some of these Natives that their school mascot is representing.The "Daily Universe" had stated in their article, "Florida State was removed from the list of school with banned mascots after proving it had a positive relationship with the Seminole tribe. The tribe even helped the university create the costume for the Chief Osceola mascot." Because of this kids got to meet new people and got the chance to learn some traditional Native things.

Supporting Evidence: The Daily Universe (universe.byu.edu)
Side: Keep as is
21abouruc(2) Disputed
2 points

I understand this, but what about the offensive mascots that do not have anything to the background of Native cultures. For excample, there is a high school in Idaho, and their team name is the "Orofino Maniacs". That name can be extremely offensive and does not have to do with any cultural background.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
madison25(3) Disputed
2 points

I disagree with this, and believe that it is not offensive at all. People want to agree and disagree, but mascots represent braveness, respect, and everything like so. But changing this can make others mad or sad because of one person that wants to make one change. This would be bad because of this and much more reasons. That's why I think that mascots are okay.

Side: Keep as is
1 point

I agree with this. Even though most mascots aren't meant to be mean or offend anyone, some mascots use racial slurs, and this can be very offensive. There are many universities and teams that also agree with this. On the website below, it shows all the teams that have changed their mascot because it was somewhat offensive, and if people get offended by a mascot, it should be changed.

Supporting Evidence: Teams Change Mascots (www.changethemascot.org)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
4 points

I think that they should change offensive mascots because it can offend children, Mr. Cooper, a full-blooded American Indian, said his daughter became so offended, her eyes filled with tears and she asked if they could leave. “I taught my children to respect warriors because they are veterans of battle,” Mr. Cooper said.now since his child was so offended by one mascot she will no longer think of them like she used to. Also, he said “That girl doesn’t understand that every feather in that headdress would have been earned in battle. She wouldn’t know that each one represents a life that was taken. The cheerleader was making a mockery of us.” so overall I think that they should change offensive mascots.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21mstevenson(2) Disputed
3 points

Some mascots might offend children, but children don't know what we think of mascots. At schools, we think of mascots and a sign of luck, bravery, strength, leadership, and speed. By having mascots with a Native culture is actully honoring tribes.

Supporting Evidence: Moore Schools (www.mooreschools.com)
Side: Keep as is
21crichardso(15) Disputed
2 points

I don't think this is a very valid reason for schools to have to change their mascot. The whole reason this situation had happened was because of not knowing background knowledge of history and what everything meant, I'm sure the cheerleader wasn't making a mockery on purpose, just misinformed.

Side: Keep as is
21msullivan Disputed
2 points

I do see where you and this girl and her father are coming from but it does not mean they saw the best insight. These mascots of the Native Americans can give people good and educate them about the history of the Natives. And according to a poll, 4 out of 5 Americans don't think the name should have to change while only 11% said that the names should change. This is referring to the Redskins.

Side: Keep as is
3 points

I believe that offensive mascots should be changed and I am not the only one who believe so. According to NBC Washington,Obama is siding with Adidas on this issue, "What Adidas has done is it said to the 2,000-plus schools that still have Native American or Alaska Native mascots, is it said, 'You know what? We will work with you to redesign your entire sports brand," Obama said to applause. Not only Adidas, but both them and Barack Obama agrees that some of these mascots need to be changed.

Supporting Evidence: Obama Agrees With the Issue (www.nbcwashington.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

I agree that they should be changed because there are lots of people saying that we should change offensive mascots like Adidas and even Obama. With many people being offended by mascots more people like Obama are starting to realize it needs to be changed, so overall I believe that offensive mascots should be changed.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

I believe that we should change offensive mascots because some of them are very racist. One huge example is the Washington Redskins. First of all, the Washington Redskins team name Redskins could be taken very offensively. That’s because the term redskin is particularly offensive, as it refers to the scalps of Native Americans, which early European settlers would sell and trade along with the pelts of animals. Their mascot could be taken very offensively because it is a native American. Most likely, the person in the costume is not at all native American and people viewing that person dance dressed up a native could seem like they are mocking someone who is native American.

Supporting Evidence: Native American Mascot Devalues Culture (drive.google.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21mjohnson(1) Disputed
3 points

One of the only reasons why they would be called the redskins is because of the background. Most people don't think that the term redskin is offensive because they know about the history of Native Americans. And just because someone dressed up as a Native American, and danced around, doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean that they are making fun of Native Americans. They are dancing around because it's their job, and they enjoy being a part of the redskins. People should be proud to be a redskin, and not offended by a redskin. Also, you shouldn't need to be Native American in order to be proud of the past. You could be African American and like the idea behind the redskin mascot. Overall, it shouldn't be offensive to people, it should encourage people to be who they are.

Side: Keep as is
21thelbing Disputed
1 point

I disagree because naming a team after Native Americans is honoring and not insulting. If someone named a team after you, would you be insulted, or honored?

Side: Keep as is
0 points

I agree. To go along with what you said, the mascots can display some type bad image. According to the website Fusion, "In recent years, both Maranatha Baptist University and Susquehanna University have dropped the “Crusaders” nickname after administrators determined that naming their athletic teams after people who murdered thousands of people in the name of Jesus Christ wasn’t a great idea." So, some people have started to understand that a lot of team names have been changed, and people are starting to get the idea.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

I believe that some mascots that are "Indian" mascots should change. That is because they are simply very offensive to Native Americans and can be interpreted very racistly. They can be very disrespectful and hurtful to some people. Now some people may say that team mascots that are "Indians" are honoring them. However, I believe that they are doing anything but honoring them. They can be very insulting. For example, according to John Two Hawks, (a writer of the website Native Circle and a Native American himself)

" Mascots and fans dressing up like 'Indians' is insulting and highly offensive, not an honor. Fans performing 'tomahawk chops' at games are insulting and highly offensive, not an honor. Are we seeing a pattern here? Let me put it this way, I don't care what it is you think you want to 'honor' someone with, if they tell you it is not an honor, well then guess what? It's not an honor! Now listen, I realize there are folks who find this hard to understand, and for those people I have a helpful suggestion. If you really want to honor First Nations people, go to where we live. Spend time with our people. Open your heart to who we really are, and what our stories really are. Take time to listen, really listen. Maybe then you will begin to understand the deep, complex reasons why "Indian" team names and mascots are so terribly damaging to our people, especially our children."

Supporting Evidence: Native Circle (www.nativecircle.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

I believe that offensive mascots should be changed because of racism and disrespect. Proposition mascots talk about a man named Abel Cooper. “I taught my children to respect warriors because they are veterans of battle,” Mr. Cooper said.“That girl doesn’t understand that every feather in that headdress would have been earned in battle. She wouldn’t know that each one represents a life that was taken. ( The cheerleader) was making a mockery of us.” He cares and knows the certain things that go on and the people that don't just think it's nothing, that's why I think offensive mascots hsould be changed.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

I agree, and these stereotype mascots are not a good thing, you don't have to make a stereotype Indian, i'm not saying I know everything about what they did and how they earned things but most people in the school or around that area probably don't know what that means

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

I believe that using questionable mascots is not a good idea. It is a stereotype, not every native American man wears paint and feathers. For example, a high school in California uses an Arabic man as their mascot, this is very stereotypical. The name of the high school is the

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
1 point

One story of an Indian man and his daughter say that when she saw the logo she began to cry and asked her dad if they could leave, so using these mascots has no progressive things in it.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
3 points

I also believe that people often have a lot of love for their favorite teams. With changing the mascots comes a lot of difficulty and money because you would have to change and take out all your merchandise, you'd have to change all sports wear for teammates, change the stadium, and a lot of other things this would cost money for the team, state, town, country, and could even potentially raise taxes. Also changing a mascot would be bad because you would have to now make and think of new team colors, name, etc.

Side: Keep as is
3 points

I agree that people have much appreciation for their favorite teams, and that's something else I was going to mention, is why would you change something that one person doesn't like and make millions of other unhappy with it? Nice job on stating good reasons, and I agree to all of this. Also, you made a point about having to ruin your respect for your team and everything, just because a person isn't happy, which means you would have to make up new things, and it would never be the same again for your team.

Side: Keep as is
21abouruc(2) Disputed
1 point

Yes, one of the problems of changing the mascot is the amount of money it will take, but other universityes have done it, so why can't all of them? For example, in 2008. Arkansas State changed their mascot from the Indians to the Red Wolves. They did this because some people were getting offended by the Indian mascot, and this proves that universities are very capable of changing the mascot. So if this is very capable of doing, why don't we do it?

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21tellisen(16) Disputed
1 point

I disagree with the money statement on your part, I think that if you changed teams everyone would want the new merchandise. A new team and colors wouldn't be that hard, it isn't like it is a high school team it is a whole state or city you have other things to lean back on.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
3 points

I think that people shouldn't change the mascots because some mascots around the state may resemble an area or a town that the school is in. For example according to hogtownmascots.com, people will know your mascot if it is native to the area, and it may make people proud of their mascot. Because according to,

Supporting Evidence: HogtownMascots (hogtownmascots.com)
Side: Keep as is
3 points

indianmascots.com, someone feels that the mascot, the Indian mascot makes him proud. Because it represents part of his culture. (He is part Indian).

Supporting Evidence: IndianMascots.com (www.indianmascots.com)
Side: Keep as is
2 points

I agree because if the mascot has something to do with the land, then the mascot should stay the same and not have to be changed.

Side: Keep as is
3 points

I believe that mascots are fine and should stay. There are various amounts of people who believe the same things. From a view of other people, they should mind their own mascot. "Life in our schools and communities would go so much more smoothly if we all followed one golden rule: never mess with another man's mascot. -Devin Gordon, who wrote Mind Your Own Mascot". Also, people spend time thinking what they'd want their mascot to be because they want it to be special to them. Going along with this, it is respectful for whatever kind of mascot they have, and it wouldn't be racists because it isn't about disrespect or race. It is a good thing and gives them pride and they feel happy about who they are. In addition, school mascots should stay because instead of making comments, you can write a letter to have them fix it, if it's making you feel that wrong about mascots. Overall, I feel that mascots should stay because it's a part of their school culture.

Side: Keep as is
3 points

Another reason for schools to not have to change their mascot is, it provides school spirit and something to be proud off and cheer for. Student Cassidy Trindade (16) says she doesn't support the AB 30 change (A change to possibly offensive mascots at school) shes says

"These names have been the school’s mascot for so long, it’s going to be a huge argument and people won’t like it and the school spirit will suffer. It’s hard to know whether the school and students are admiring what their mascot is based on. I don’t think they’re making fun of Native Americans.

I personally don’t think anything of the name “Redskins” because I can see it as just a school mascot name. Again, I don’t think the schools and students are trying to be rude and mean."

Supporting Evidence: High School Debate (www.wecedyouth.org)
Side: Keep as is
3 points

America is the land of the free and we also have the freedom of speech. We should be able to name any team with any name we want. Otherwise, that goes against what we are as a country. According to the Scholastic News Story "Honor or Insult", naming our team after Native American's is honor and not an insult.

Supporting Evidence: Honor or Insult? (magazines.scholastic.com)
Side: Keep as is
21tellisen(16) Disputed
1 point

Although your right that we have rights, but we can't make a team name whatever we want to be as, we have to be as careful as possible and making a controversial mascot or team name is not a good idea, like the Washington Redskins an NFL team that has a controversial mascot, CHRISTOPHER L. GASPER from the bostonglobe.com says that it needs to be changed along with many others.

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

I think mascots should stay the say because a national poll had stated that the term "Redskin" still has a wide support throughout the country showing that nearly 4 out of 5 Americans don't think the name should have to change while only 11% said that the names should change.

Side: Keep as is
21cdahlen(3) Disputed
4 points

The word 'redskin' is actually considered a racial slur against Native Americans. According to Michael Wendling from BBC, "I've been shown a newspaper advert from Minnesota, dating from 1863: 'The state reward for dead Indians has been increased to $200 for every redskin sent to purgatory.'" The word 'redskin' has been used since 1863, and it was used to describe Native Americans that they wanted dead at the time.

Supporting Evidence: What Native Americans Think Of The Word 'Redskin' (www.bbc.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21crichardso(15) Disputed
4 points

But, now instead they aren't using "Redskin" to say everyone should hunt down Indians, they are using it as a mascot and the data is showing that people support them and look up to them, and most people don't think when some say's "redskin" kill an Indian, they think about an Indian rather and look up to it. Clarence Le Bret, who at 90 says he’s the oldest male tribal member in town.

Controversy, what controversy, he says. “It’s the traditional name we always had.” (Redskins)

Supporting Evidence: Redskin Controversy (www.seattletimes.com)
Side: Keep as is
DannyG Disputed
4 points

I believe that the fact you put is completely irrelevant because a poll asking what random people think, doesn't disregard the fact that many people who are native American aren't offended from that. Most people who answered that poll probably did not know that the term redskin is particularly offensive, as it refers to the scalps of Native Americans, which early settlers would sell and trade along with the pelts of animals. According to newamericamedia.org, only 1.7% of Americans are native American so that leads me to conclude that the majority of people who answered to that poll, have no connection what so ever to being offended by that term.

Supporting Evidence: Census (newamericamedia.org)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
2 points

Also with changing mascots sometimes it takes the fun out of it. Think about going to a school for almost 4 years and them then changing it. A mascots role at sporting events is to get the crowd in the spirit of the game. Most people think that a person just puts on a suit and jumps around and acts silly. They can get the sports fans into the spirit of the game.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/5427925

Side: Keep as is
2 points

I think that team mascots should stay the same because most mascots have a meaning and a lot of history behind them, if they got rid of them it could ruin what the mascot means to them and it would cost a lot of money to build a new part of a building, paint the new mascot in places. It would also take a lot of time to create the new mascot and have it approved by the school board. It is a lot of work and money to change the mascot, there is too much to do, so why not keep it the way it is. There is too many negatives to change it.

Side: Keep as is
1 point

Some argue that mascots can be offensive to people, but I say that today, people are easily offended by anything. We should keep mascots as they are and uphold the tradition that they represent.

Side: Keep as is
2 points

I agree that we should keep the mascots because it "takes away" the teams history. According to "The Daily Universe" Daniel Snyder, owner of the Washington Redskins, reminded people that to him the name was a matter of pride in his team’s history. If you make them change the name of their team, that will take pride away from the players.

Supporting Evidence: The Daily Universe (universe.byu.edu)
Side: Keep as is
1 point

I believe that school mascots should stay the same for many reasons. One reason is that it is from their background, it shouldn't be offensive because it was from their background. Another reason is that kids even want it to stay the same. Of 452 students at Mascouten school, 90% of the kids wanted the mascots to stay the same. "The Mascouten Indian tribe is what the Berlin Indians were named after and they no longer exist. So I believe it's a good memory that honors them. That's just my belief and that's the belief of, obviously, more than 90% of the people who live here," said Troy Westphal, who is on the school board of Mascouten school. Also, everything is just getting out of hand and violent. In a meeting, talking about changing the mascot or not, it was loud and noisy, but after the meeting, a women found a nail in the tire of her car. She said that she expected this because of how the people were reacting over this topic. Another person voted to keep the Indians the same, and he got his car keyed (when someone scratches a car with a key). It got so bad that the feds had to come and sort this out

Side: Keep as is
21abouruc(2) Disputed
1 point

I understand that it comes from their background and that is shouldn't be offensive, but it is to some people, and if some people feel offended by it, why wouldn't we change it? “The opposing team called themselves the Warriors and the teenaged girl flipped around and did cartwheels for the entertainment of the fans in the stands. Mr. Cooper, a full-blooded American Indian, said his daughter became so offended, her eyes filled with tears and she asked if they could leave.” Why would we keep mascots such as these if some people get so offended by them?

Side: Change Offensive Mascots
21crichardso(15) Disputed
4 points

Think about it like food at a restaurant, they don't completely take a food off of the menu purely because, a few people dislike that food it's, even more un-affective when talking about the mascots, they went through all the trouble of making an old Indian outfit to commemorate them, not make fun of them

Side: Keep as is
21msullivan Disputed
1 point

Well it seems that people do get offended by mascots but some don't understand that it's trying to do the opposite and according to an article by Ezine people should feel happy and proud when their race or culture is featured as a mascot.

Side: Keep as is
21ceckes(1) Disputed
0 points

I think that they should change mascots because they are offending a lot of kids, because when 20 different schools changed inappropriate mascots, " 92 percent of those 2,129 team names belong to high schools." meaning kids that are still in high school and lower are the ones being offended 92% of 20 are offended. Also, Mr.Cooper a father found that inappropriate mascots are offending children and need to be changed when his daughter got offended by a mascot and asked him if they could leave. So overall I believe that mascots should be changed because many kids and high schools are being offended by inappropriate mascots.

Supporting Evidence: Mascots (fivethirtyeight.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots
0 points

We need to keep mascots the same because they are very important and Mascots hold history and meaning to towns and schools. One of the biggest well-known controversies is the Washington Redskins. There are a lot of different opinions on why the Redskins may be an inappropriate name. But team owners strongly dispute any racism behind the mascot and won't change it, saying the Redskins name honors "where we came from, who we are." This shows that the redskins hold importance to the area and meaning to a lot of people. Washington team owner Dan Snyder stepped up his defense of the moniker this month. Last spring, he told USA Today he will "never" change the name.

"Our fans sing 'Hail to the Redskins' in celebration at every Redskins game. They speak proudly of 'Redskins Nation' in honor of a sports team they love," Snyder wrote in a letter to fans. "After 81 years, the team name 'Redskins' continues to hold the memories and meaning of where we came from, who we are, and who we want to be in the years to come," he continued. "I respect the feelings of those who are offended by the team name. But, I hope such individuals also try to respect what the name means, not only for all of us in the extended Washington Redskins family, but among Native Americans too," Snyder said, citing several polls conducted in recent years that show that a majority of people do not want the name changed.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/12/us/redskins-controversy/

Side: Keep as is
21ceckes(1) Disputed
3 points

I know that it can be a big part of a teams history but all the people that are being offended by these have stopped supporting teams like Dr.Quartey who was a redskins fan told the crowd he had a Redskins cap when he was living in the Washington, D.C. area. “I cut the logo off,” after he learned about people being offended by a mascot like he was.

Supporting Evidence: Mascots (drive.google.com)
Side: Change Offensive Mascots